Mini Series: Post-Assad Syria

Syria’s Path to Transition: Inclusivity, Justice, and the Road Ahead with Betsy Popken

In this episode of our Lawyering Peace Podcast Post-Assad Syria Mini Series, we sit down with Betsy Popken, Chief Legal Advisor to the Syrian Opposition during the Geneva Peace Talks. Betsy shares her unique insights into the challenges and opportunities facing Syria in the wake of the Assad regime, exploring the groundwork laid for transitional justice, governance, and reconciliation.
As Syria grapples with economic hardship, damaged infrastructure, and the formation of an interim government, Betsy evaluates the role of Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) in shaping a more inclusive future. While HTS has made promises about incorporating diverse voices—including Alawites, Druze, and women—Betsy emphasizes the need for tangible action to match rhetoric.
From the potential of a national dialogue to create a new constitution to the role of civil society organizations in fostering reconciliation, Betsy discusses how Syrians can build a democracy rooted in collaboration and shared goals. She also cautions against replicating the missteps of past Arab Spring transitions and underscores the importance of learning from those experiences.
Join us for a compelling conversation about the hopes, challenges, and critical decisions shaping Syria’s transition, as well as the lessons the international community and Syrians themselves can draw on to create a more inclusive and just future.

Ivan M. Nielson: Pathways to Unity, Governance, and International Engagement in Post-Assad Syria

In this insightful episode in our Mini Series on Post-Assad Syria, we welcome Ivan M. Nielsen, a seasoned Danish diplomat and former special representative for the Syria crisis. Drawing on his extensive experience in conflict resolution, human rights, and constitution building, Ivan reflects on lessons from the Geneva peace talks and shares his assessment of Syria’s evolving governance landscape.
From the Assad regime’s divisive tactics to the challenges of engaging with Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) under its current terrorism designation, Ivan explores the critical tracks that must be advanced in parallel for a successful Syrian transition: security, service delivery (including education, electricity, healthcare, transportation, and infrastructure), and civic space (politics, governance, and civil society). He underscores the importance of the international community listening to Syrians to understand their needs, avoiding the imposition of rushed timelines for essential governmental transitions, and ensuring external support aligns with Syrian priorities rather than Western-driven agendas.
Tune in for an engaging discussion on the road ahead for Syria, including the obstacles, opportunities, and how hope and unity are shaping the vision for a post-Assad future.